Fair warning, this one might be a little long, because this is something that absolutely fascinates me. Power dynamics. All power dynamics fascinate me, but the power dynamics in intimate relationships especially fascinate me.
A lot of people say they want an “equal relationship.” In most cases I think what they mean is that they want a “fair” relationship. They don’t want to be walked on, and they usually don’t want to walk on others. But that’s not the same as an “equal relationship.” There is never equality in any social structure. There is always a chain of power. If both parties are always equal in all things at all times, nothing ever gets done. While one can exist in a relationship of cooperation, at some point there is a disagreement and if a win win situation cannot be found, there has to be a winner. It doesn’t necessarily have to be the same person every time, but there has to be one. Consider two submissive type personalities.
Here is what you get: “I don’t care, I’ll go to whichever restaurant you pick.” “I don’t care either. I’ll go wherever you want to go.” I’ve seen couples like this. They can spend two hours trying to make a decision because neither is dominant enough to make a choice even over something so banal. Or you have two dominant types who butt heads and fight over everything. EVERYTHING is a power struggle wherein they each must assert their dominance.
Erica got me thinking about this, because the other day in the comments section she described to me a male that she would prefer over an alpha any day. And yet, to me these qualities fit perfectly in an alpha. (quiet, intelligent, decent, dignity.) So this makes me want to explore the many faces of the alpha and what does alpha even “mean?” Because when Erica stated her preference and I immediately thought “he could be an alpha” it took me away from the “standard alpha stereotype.” And maybe that’s a good thing.
If I’m not very much mistaken, we take the “alpha,” “beta” etc. terminology from wolf packs. These are very social animals and many similarities have been found in the way wolves organize and govern themselves and how humans do. I guess this makes sense. Both species are intelligent, social animals. And both are dangerous predators.
Things like alpha-ness are all about how one interacts with those around them when it comes to the exercise or potential exercise of power. Someone can be seen to have power but not be willing to exercise that power. As long as no one knows they aren’t willing to exercise it, they have power. But once it’s known they won’t really use it under any circumstances, their power is gone. Though not using power isn’t the same as not having it. All that is required is a theoretical willingness at some point to use it.
Some women who have been in abusive situations break the pattern completely and purposefully go for men who seem physically weak that can’t hurt them. But the amount a man can bench press has nothing to do with whether he’ll hurt her or not. It’s all in his character. A scrawny guy can do as much if not more damage if he has the character traits that precipitate hurting other people.
In a romantic situation I’ve always preferred alphas. Because if I don’t have an alpha I’ll walk on him. I need someone who won’t take crap from me, a partner strong enough to take me, basically. (And I don’t mean that in a physical match up. Just about anyone can take me in a physical match up. But not everyone can take me in a verbal sparring match.)
I think when we think of alpha males, our mind goes first to the savage warrior type. Or the “bad boy.” Though I love both, alphas come in many packages. What makes them alpha is how they fall in the power structure. Not their personal likes and interests or their relative loudness or quietness. Some of the most commanding men are some of the quietest and most decent. But people still fall in line when they speak.
July 2, 2008 at 2:24 pm
I think in most relationships we learn how to work the other person to achieve most of our ends, and things settle into a “who cares most about what” sort of thing.
I once read that the power in a relationship resides with the person who loves the least. I think that’s true, if you think about it.
If you want to get kinky, then I’ll say the power rests with the person who gives that power to the other, because they have power to both give and rescind it.
I have the opposite problem as you: I don’t really think of myself as sweet and nice, but, um, it appears some guys do. I need a guy who won’t let me get away with everything. I like to make people smile and laugh, so I tease a LOT, and I avoid “real discussions.” My relationships have very rare fights.
Now we could get into a discussion about how when a guy gives the woman the power, it’s cute and sexy and adorable, but when a girl gives the man the power, she’s seen more as a victim or someone without a spine. But that’s okay.
July 2, 2008 at 2:48 pm
hehehe Spy, oh I could talk about this topic all day.
I agree that most things settle down into a “who cares most about what” It’s all going to be a give and take in a real life scenario, though occasionally you do get those personality types that are so mismatched because they’re too much alike resulting in total indecision most of the time or head-butting.
I do think you’re right about the power rests with the person who loves the least, but that’s one factor and only one kind of power. Physical power rests with the person who is physically strongest (until they go to sleep obviously. muahahahaha), Sexual power rests with the person who can do without sex the most easily. Financial power rests with the person who makes the most money and could most easily start over without the other person if necessary.
On the kinky front I agree and disagree. Because someone’s love for someone and unwillingness to use power against them to harm them, isn’t the same as not having it. With a different type of person, a safeword won’t keep you safe. In fact a safeword doesn’t keep people safe anyway. It’s the love of the other person for them and their wellbeing and their desire to not harm them that keeps them safe.
And that’s something that bugs me. People in the “community” go on and on about the importance of a safeword like it’s magic. I agree it’s important to have methods of communication that allow another person to know what’s really going on in your head, but I don’t think enough attention is paid to the fact that the word ITSELF isn’t what keeps you safe.
Far too few people who put themselves into a power exchange situation understand that the physical power typically rests with the person who’s got you tied up. And if they’re stronger than you anyway, that is true even without being tied up. The submissive’s power is in the love or at least regard/respect/care the other person has for them. Without that, you’re not really safe.
Physical power obviously isn’t the only kind of power, but it’s often the trump card. Unless you’ve got an Ace, which is usually the other person’s feelings in regard to you.
hehe I don’t really think of myself as sweet or nice either, and yet a bunch of people perceive me that way. A bunch of other people think I’m a bitch, like I said. (I’ve yet to figure that one out. I do have some strong opinions and the need to express them, but I don’t feel that I’m unreasonable in my communications) But it’s a pretty even split. Which makes it confusing to me because I’m not sure what people are seeing to get such divergent views.
I do the jokey thing too, but dammit if I get pissed I will throw down. And there is a hormonal element to that too. My poor husband, seriously. Yesterday I swear we had a fight over organic peas. It just cannot get stupider.
And I LOVE the discussion about how when a guy gives the woman the power it’s cute etc, but when the girl gives the man the power she’s seen more as a victim.
I think it’s because a lot of people who don’t want to give a man the power have a very visceral reaction to any woman who does, because they feel in some small way it endangers their own freedom.
Throughout most of history women have been clawing and fighting just to not get killed and pillaged by the men. Women were property for a very long time. To consider any woman voluntarily entering into any type of arrangement no matter how temporary that in any way smacks of that, is upsetting to a lot of people.
Yet at the same time, when it comes to an individual woman’s strength, we have to ask the question…what is weaker…a woman who follows what she wants, no matter what others might think of it, or a woman who caves to social pressure and denies herself her own desires based upon judgment from others as “inappropriate.”
I would venture that the woman who chooses NOT to follow her own will is just as much enslaved as women throughout history who others are so afraid they might emulate if they dare give over some control.
Sorry, I believe this comment was longer than my original post. But like I said, discussing various types of power and how they play out among people is a topic I never get tired of. The psychology behind the whole thing fascinates me.
July 2, 2008 at 2:51 pm
As a postscript, I would also say that what keeps you safe isn’t only their feeling/regard for you personally, but in addition, their character in general. If it isn’t in someone’s makeup to genuinely want to harm others, they generally don’t.
July 2, 2008 at 8:00 pm
You’re right. I mean, I believe it was the UN that just released a big thing that declared “Rape is not a weapon of war.”
Sad that it had to be said.
If staying underground means one less woman is abused by a man who misinterprets things, then I think it’s a price worth paying.
July 3, 2008 at 1:40 am
Hey Spy, you make a really good point. But at the same time I don’t think fiction should end up being censored or held back because someone might get the wrong idea. And it seems like that is what has happened. A lot of publishers in the romance category have a list of things “not allowed” in their books, and it feels in some ways like the PC police. When fiction is PC monitored I start to worry.
July 3, 2008 at 6:50 am
I realize I am late to this party but . . .
I have a certain editor who loves alphas. But her “list” of things that big her in a book with alphas is very particular. For instance, she doesn’t EVER want to see an alpha apologize for a misunderstanding. Frankly, I makes my skin crawl that alpha, to me, means “a**hole.” Why is POWER akin to never admitting you are wrong? POWER, to me, is compassion.
As a Buddhist, I look at the Dalai Lama. He has no country, no homeland that he can return to. His people have been beaten, raped, and brutalized, but he still CHOOSES every day to pray for the Chinese people. That’s power to me. He hasn’t given it away to live a life of hatred and resentment.
And all of THAT goes to Man’s Search for Meaning, by Viktor Frankl, which is a whole exploration of logotherapy as a philosophy . . . and what personal power is (human dignity) and whether someone can TAKE it from you by force or whether you can hold onto it no matter the circumstances.
So . . . for me, the type of prevalent alphas in romance generally aren’t my type. But I realize I am pretty specific in what I find appealing on a different level.
E
July 3, 2008 at 11:38 am
You’re kidding! That’s awful. I would never be able to work for that editor. How in the world could not apologizing be an attractive trait? My definition of “Alpha” would definitely include compassion. My alphas also usually have unfailing patience and self-control, excellent listening skills, and kindness. GREAT people skills: they know how to be a leader, how to teach and manage people.
And, like Zoe said earlier, that essence of power that you can practically smell on them.
July 3, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Hey Erica, no I’m glad you joined it. This is a slightly intense topic and if more than one person comments I feel less like I’m alienating people with it.
I totally agree with you, things like compassion and mercy and fairness are all power. To me, a man who doesn’t apologize when he makes an error or hurts someone is very weak. That wouldn’t make my alpha list. In the novel I’m editing, Luc apologizes specifically for being an asshole at one point. Which is kind of funny since he’s 526 years old. It’s just a weird word to come out of his mouth. Nevertheless he recognizes that it fits the situation.
Erica, I knew there was a reason I freaking loved you. I love that discussion too lol, about human dignity and personal power, and whether or not it can be taken from you and under what circumstances, etc. etc.
Good points Spy, there is nothing wrong with a guy having a very powerful almost scary presence, but underneath that being very deeply decent. In fact, why would we love him otherwise?
July 3, 2008 at 2:35 pm
It seems that some alpha heroes are missing the “hero” part of that equation.