Boy, that’s a shocker.
Observe the mass confusion here.
Some lovely quotes, and my commentary (It gets kind of snarky, but this is one of those articles I read that made me do this: O.o ) :
“It’s an accidental profession, most of the time,” said William Strachan, editor in chief at Carroll & Graf Publishers. “If you had the key, you’d be very wealthy. Nobody has the key.”
How about asking readers? Do opinion polls. Do demographics studies. Find out exactly what it is that readers want and are looking for. “accidental profession” isn’t how you run a business.
What if brain surgeons operated this way? “Well, we aren’t exactly sure what happens when we jab the scalpel in this way, but sometimes it works out wonderfully.”
Then they say:
Publishers, by contrast, put up Web sites where, in some cases, readers can sign up for announcements of new titles. But information rarely flows the other way — from readers back to the editors.
Hmmmm. Well why the hell not? Why act like it’s such a stumper if you haven’t even tried this method? I mean isn’t now, in the midst of an economic downturn and book sales dropping, wouldn’t now be a good time to ask the readers what they want?
We already know the publishing industry is interested in a “commercially viable product.” So they aren’t all like Maxwell Perkins just out to publish what’s in the highest literary taste. Since they are interested in being commercial, then maybe they should operate according to the same principles as everybody else with that end goal.
Just the zany perspective of a reader (and writer) here.
Holy crap on a cracker. This is the industry writers are pinning all their hopes and dreams on? As well as their external validation? Seriously? Pfffffft. *wipes the spittle off the monitor from the pfffft*
“The people who go into it don’t do it for the money, which might explain why it’s such a bad business,” Mr. Strachan said.
Self. Fulfilling. Prophecy. Hire some people in business school. Or who have read a single business book, or have taken a single business class.
Holy God. I mean, I knew this, but to have people in the industry just admitting it without any hemming and hawing. It’s just. Yeah.
Calculating the advance accurately would be a prized skill, but no editors claim to have a scientific handle on how a book will sell. Instead, they emphasize the role of intuition and say that while big unexpected losses and gains do happen, somehow it all works out.
Come into Madame Z’s tent and let me read your fortune. I’ve got some tea leaves. And then we can chant for awhile. Maybe read bird entrails. What do ya think?
And while we’re at it, let’s hire that freaky brain surgeon with the scalpel issues. Somehow it’ll all work out. You’ll see.
It’S the way this business has run since 1640,” he says. That is when 1,700 copies of the Bay Psalm Book were published in the colonies. “It was a gamble, and they guessed right because it sold out of the print run. And ever since then, it has been a crap shoot,” Professor Greco said
Well if it was good enough for the Bay Psalm Book, it’s good enough for everybody else, dammit!
It’s the horse races, or the stock market. It’s gambling. This is a business about gambling. Buy low, hope to sell high. Stay addicted to it instead of figuring out if there is actually a sustainable business model in there.
Ms. Curr estimated that the planned book could sell a million copies. Based on what? “Just a feeling,” she said. She described it as a tingling that went up her spine.
I’m sorry, but I’m not pinning my hopes and dreams on whether or not your spine tingles. See a Chiropractor and read a business book. And people wonder why every other business has this face: O.o
This would be borderline “cute” if so many writers weren’t setting up their dreams based on the spine tingly system of book aquisition working in their favor.
“That’s often when the business model of this industry falls to pieces,” Mr. DeFiore, the agent, says. “Because publishing houses are paying high six and even seven figures in hopes those books will turn into the megahits they need, but some will and some won’t, so those big bets are dangerous.”
Okay seriously WHAT business model? Where? How is this not a gambling addiction? Anyone who did this who wasn’t in the publishing industry would be sent for treatment.
Apparently the only group (as per the article) who is doing any real demographics study is ROMANCE. Yep, those fake books. Apparently they have more business sense than most of the publishing industry. Maybe Romance should run publishing. (actually, based on book sales, they kind of already do.) Though it should be noted this study has been done by RWA, which is the Romance WRITERS of America. And this info is used by authors and publicists.
Well brava, but where are the demographic studies done by publishers? You know, the peeps with the money? When all you have to offer is money, you are a financial backer, not a business. When your authors are becoming more marketing and focus group savvy than your publishers, and the barriers have started to come down, one wonders, why exactly we think the gatekeepers are the ones who have the authorization to make business decisions about a book.
Ms. Sittenfeld says she is reminded of something she heard from an editor: “People think publishing is a business, but it’s a casino.”
Finally. Someone came out and said it. I was having a mini-breakdown here.
Also, whoever mentioned me on Stumbleupon, thank you, I got a huge traffic surge, you rock!
November 18, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Publishing Industry Stumped…
Boy, that’sa shocker. Observe the mass confusion here. Some lovely quotes, and my commentary (It gets kind of snarky, but this is one of those articles I read that made me do this: Oo ) :. “It’s an accidental profession, ……
November 18, 2008 at 3:21 pm
“Ms. Sittenfeld says she is reminded of something she heard from an editor: “People think publishing is a business, but it’s a casino.””
I think I just found my new signature quote lol. This is definitely a “throw spaghetti against the wall and see if it sticks” industry if I ever saw one. Now we have to add spine tingly to it.
“But information rarely flows the other way — from readers back to the editors.”
Erm not from where I’m sitting. There’s tons of posts over at the Amazon Romance forums where readers are telling editors exactly what they want, like and don’t want and they’re organizing letters to be sent to express their thoughts.
Harequin started a Readers Panel to ask them questions and present polls to see if their readers are happy with the way their books are (grant it, the polls and things are few and far between but at least they’re trying). And Tor started up a new message board community to open up some dialogue about their books and how the company is doing.
Though these publishers are trying, I’m wondering if it’s a case of too little too late because sales are faltering and oops! must scramble to get those readers back in the stores. The movie industry is doing the same thing as well.
November 18, 2008 at 3:36 pm
ey Rae,
I do throw my actual spaghetti on the wall to see if it sticks, haha. BUT, if it doesn’t, I go back to cooking it some more. I don’t think the publishing industry follows this rule in general.
If the spaghetti doesn’t stick, it must be bad spaghetti, rather than, it’s just not done yet. I guess a correlation with books would be, it’s not marketed quite right, you’re targeting the wrong market, something in the book was just ‘off’ or it has a smaller market than you once thought. (though in a global marketplace I believe that hurdle can be overcome. But the caveat is: big publishers have neither the time, nor the manpower/money to go chasing after tiny niche markets in all English speaking areas.)
Seriously, letters are being organized?
Can you point me to where they’re saying this? haha. If publishers won’t listen, I sure as heck will. (Well sometimes I won’t, but if I don’t, I’ll recognize my end audience may be smaller as a result. But that’s where writer me comes into conflict with business me.)
I think Harlequin and Tor are both fairly forward thinking publishers. And this article I think was focused more on the general attitude in publishing. Though you’re right, it IS shifting, like a snail, but still shifting.
I think another thing we have to take into consideration is, there is a large chunk of people who get a lot of completely amateur entertainment. Youtube is a leader in this, but there are a lot of major sites as well as minor sites where the DIY ethic has sort of encroached to the point where there are all these little tribes making and sharing art with each other.
And that’s cool, and fascinating, but I expect highly frustrating to major publishers and film studios who are saying: “Hey folks, we’ve been in the business 100 years, we know what we’re doing, dammit! Buy from us!”
But that’s not how “the public” thinks. Nobody sits and thinks: “Well Random House knows what they’re doing. I’m buying their books.” Or “Lion’s Gate, they sure do know how to make movies, bitches.”
It’s just not how anybody thinks. So I think there is this futile foot stomping going on, because the “masses” don’t CARE who produced art (commercial art or otherwise), as long as it meets their needs.
The gatekeepers forget that they were the gatekeepers because it was too damned expensive for just anybody to get their work to the public.
Now it’s not.
And they have to have better currency than: “We’re the gatekeepers, dammit, listen to us!”
No, listen to the readers. They have more options now.
November 18, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Indeed. Like the way movie and book critics are getting p-o’ed since the web has put the sharing power back into the readers hands. Some dude even wrote about this. Culture of the Amateur or something but I think it was 200 pages of whine. Heh.
Anywho here is the amazon forum where they’re talking about changes they want in romance. It’s really interesting seeing what readers think. Here’s one: If You Had Three Wishes to Change the Romance Book World
I think that one includes writing letters to editors to tell them their thoughts.
November 18, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Very cool, Rae! I’ll definitely check that out.
And LMAO @ 200 pages of whine. No doubt. Everybody has opinions, I think the key for all of us is to figure out exactly which opinions are important to us and why.
November 18, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Things will change in the publishing business. And you’ll be part of the change, Zoe! That’s pretty exciting. You should be happy about it.
November 18, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Hey Edie, I hope so. Obviously there is always going to be a “big publishing industry.” And that’s fine. I have nothing against large businesses. I just want indies to have room to play too. Just like they do in music and film. Indie authors aren’t so different.
November 18, 2008 at 10:03 pm
“The gatekeepers forget that they were the gatekeepers because it was too damned expensive for just anybody to get their work to the public. Now it’s not.”
Exactly. It’s doable now, the actual publishing as well as the marketing. And I’m grabbin’ the reins.
November 18, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Awesome, Kel. And I know some people see your numbers and scoff. But 1500 downloads and 350 hardcopy sales (or is it more now?) is better than zero. Which is what you get when your work lays in a drawer.
I do realize that people who get NY publishers sell way way more than this, but, lots of people aren’t getting NY contracts. And if you aren’t getting it, or you aren’t getting it yet, I think it’s very smart to start building an audience. It only puts you ahead for later if you do get a contract.
November 18, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Oh, plus there is that great benefit of having real human beings who aren’t judging the marketability of your work, read it, and love it, and tell you so!
November 18, 2008 at 10:35 pm
Waiting For Spring hit 363 copies sold on Monday. I’m working on new marketing projects for it right now that I know will help me see that number rise dramatically.
I don’t need industry validation. Readers love it (although many of them hate me because of how I treated certain characters), and that’s the only validation that really counts.
Well, except for my own. And I’m obnoxious enough to say that I’ve got talent without waiting for someone else to do it. I have confidence in that talent. I continue to educate myself and to improve my skill. I feel better about my newest WIP than I did about Waiting For Spring, which is saying something (since I was confident enough in that to put it out there). I do still send out queries from time to time, but I’m sure as hell not gonna stuff my work in a drawer, waiting for some agent’s frigging spine to tingle.
November 18, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Awesome, Kel, congrats! And I can’t wait to see the results of your new marketing project!
hehehe. Well, you’re one of my most favorite “obnoxious” indie friends.
I can’t wait to read your next book!
November 19, 2008 at 9:11 am
I absolutely adore my copy of the Bay Psalm Book. I read it every evening. I can see why the publishing of all books is based on it.
By the way, since I have an MD, I can technically do brain surgery. It’s totally legal. I’ll bet I can charge a lot for brain surgery. (Surely a lot more than for saying, “Mmmm Hmmmm.”) I’m going to buy some sharp knives at the kitchen store and get to it. No marketing, though. I’ll just stand on a street corner and yell, “Hey! Anyone need some brain surgery!”
Yeesh.
November 19, 2008 at 9:15 am
hahahaha Robin. Do you really have a copy of the Bay Psalm Book?
November 19, 2008 at 1:10 pm
No. I don’t even know what the hell it is.
November 19, 2008 at 1:17 pm
hehe, okay. I thought you were being sarcastic earlier but I didn’t know. I was thinking: “Holy crap! She has a copy of this book? Probably a later edition, still, hahahahaha”
November 19, 2008 at 1:18 pm
I’m totally not trying to incite some kind of online riot here. haha. I really still don’t think the publishing industry is “evil.” I just think a lot of it is run without much business sense and like a casino, and that being the case, I can’t be arsed to get too worked up about how the major players are doing business.
November 19, 2008 at 2:09 pm
I found the Bay Psalm Book online, and I know why it was such a hit. Check out this version of the 23rd Psalm:
“The Lord to me a shepherd is,
Want therefore I shall not…”
It was obviously written by Yoda, and celebrity books always sell big.
November 19, 2008 at 2:11 pm
hahahahaha, are you serious, Kel? If not, I apologize, my sarcasm filter isn’t working today haha. I have to take it into the shop for a tune up.
November 19, 2008 at 2:14 pm
I’m usually dripping with sarcasm, so I can understand your confusion. But in this case I’m being perfectly serious.
Check it out here:
http://www.cgmusic.com/workshop/baypsalm_frame.htm
November 19, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Sorry, Kel, you got stuck in my spam filter for some reason. That was one link, holy god. A little over the top for my spam filter to freak out, lol.
November 19, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Spam filter, huh? I thought it smelled funny in here.
November 19, 2008 at 8:59 pm
spam and eggs. Ewwwww
November 20, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Ha! This is awesome. And again…totally mindboggling. The publishing industry really is run by idiots.
I’m not saying I’m a guru or anything (far from it) but being employed in the department that markets a research university to the world, I hear a bit about best practices and so on…and what industry worthy of the name DOESN’T EVEN *ATTEMPT* TO COLLECT INFORMATION FROM THE PEOPLE IT’S SELLING TO???
If they were working on intellectual or artistic principles, I could see things maybe operating this way — but the major publishing companies are all hunting for books that will sell, first and foremost. Maybe they should take a cue from Hollywood; not that the movie industry is all that brilliant either, but at least they put a little bit of effort into **systematically** figuring out what their audience wants.
Okay…blood pressure returning to normal… I’m not even seriously trying to get published (I have a hard enough time trying to seriously write; I figure I should stick with that for a while before I think about whether to try getting published), but the way the book industry works (or more accurately, doesn’t) just chars my burger.
November 20, 2008 at 8:36 pm
hehe Ing, I know what you mean.
I think one of the things that decided it for me (the going indie thing), was the fact that, the publishing industry is WRONG about their buying decisions more than half the time.
We know this is true for what they buy, but it seems to be true for what they don’t buy as well. Since manuscripts rejected at one place traditionally have sold at another, or else someone puts the work out themselves, or they kill themselves like John Kennedy O’Toole, and their mother sells it to a publisher,and then they win the pulitzer.
I’m not defining my identity as a writer based on the spine tingly mentality. That kind of thing really irritates me because we’re talking about people who put years and a lot of who they are into their writing, only for it to be not only treated like a product, but mismanaged at the business level.
If offends my sensibilities as both a writer, and someone who was raised in an entrepreneurial family.